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Zeek Aran · Jan 08, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

Well, he is my brother and anytime you get some free time, we can all go out and do a vanquish. We'll bring our rangers. Until then, anything you say about it is completely based off of assumption.

I'll stick with what I said about 90% of HM being easy. Me saying 'Anything works in PvE' is an absolute, while absolutes don't exist. Everything has an exception. I didn't say either of you were bad players, I only criticized bringing three rangers.

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Also, you did not specify PvE or PvP pugs.

No I didn't, but this thread is about vanquishing, and I've never PvPd so I wouldn't know.

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You would think sabway saved your children from a car fire by the way you people are reacting and then turning around and doing the exact same thing to him.

I never mentioned Sab's build. Why use 'way' in everything? IWAY started this, but it's the only thing to use Will Avenge You! in the title. Sab Will Avenge You! ? No. Just Sab's build. If you'd like to further argue with me, go ahead, but I won't be reading it.

MagmaRed · Jan 08, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Touch rangers? Lawl. Crippling and degen aren't that useful in HM PvE. I'd rather just nuke that crap out of them [fire or with an SS necro], instead of wasting my time being inefficient. We weren't talking about elite missions, we were talking about vanquishing. Also, frozen soil can be brought on any profession and be effective. Barraging is the only viable way for a ranger to deal damage in HM and compete with anything else, but you can't really trust a hero to spam it and put splinter on himself.
Also, it's been gone over many times; ANYTHING works in PvE. Even mending on every character.

I disagree with the bold part. If you notice my avatar, you notice I am a Ranger as my primary character. I can do 100+ damage, in Hard Mode, to warriors and Paragons. And I ran R/Mo for my Vanquishing, as Rebirth was nice to have when taking heroes and hench.

Hench are hard to use, so make sure you know their skill set well, and take the right ones for the area you are Vanquishing. Heroes are more adjustable, and can be flagged, etc., so they make things easier. Know what is in the area, and take out the toughest groups/bosses first. This way you can kill the other stuff to work off DP if need be.

I won't say my style was 'best', but it worked well. Not everyone can play the same way, so it is a matter of knowing HOW you play, and choosing a team build that works with that play style. I used a lot of finesse, not a lot os power. Although I could dish out significant damage, I was more interested in keeping the enemy from deal damage to my teal, and healing their team. Arcane Conundrum on a Mesmer is fun for easy interrupts, and Frustration is even more fun. Hero MMs are godly with Death Nova, so use them everywhere there are corpses. Claude/Eve are not bad damage dealers, but they are awesome at keeping your casters with energy, take them unless you have a hero with Blood Ritual, or can/will use it yourself. Plan for 2 hours for every area. Not all will take that long, but some will, and not having to rush makes things more fun, and easier. Take a friend, as someone to talk with while Vanquishing makes things LOTS more enjoyable, if possible, take a full guild/alliance group.

CougarTheTall · Jan 08, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

I never mentioned Sab's build. Why use 'way' in everything? IWAY started this, but it's the only thing to use Will Avenge You! in the title. Sab Will Avenge You! ? No. Just Sab's build. If you'd like to further argue with me, go ahead, but I won't be reading it.

I dunno. I only found out about this sabway thing today and thats how everyone is reffering to it.

Mickey · Jan 09, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Thread fail +1.

Sab's build > Yours.

Party wide defensive skills, set on a Necro with infinite energy soul reaping = win.

crazybanshee · Jan 09, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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What was your favorite area to vanquish and why?
Gyala Hatchery. Because i still do Boss runs to earn Luxon points and i soooo love it now.
8 bosses, 15 minutes, 3000 luxon points ftw!!!

Wow, is there a map or anything that shows this run? I've been trying to figure out a HM boss farm run that would net loads of lux points but haven't come close to anything like this. Care to share?

HawkofStorms · Jan 09, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Some people should have watched Doctor Phil today.
It was about Cyber Bullying and how insulting and threating people over the internet is a federal felony.

jackie · Jan 09, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

What was the hardest area for you to vanquish and why?
- Not really any, one frustrating but I'll write it down below.

What was the most frustrating area for you and why?
- Tahnakai Expo without the quest that makes it nobrainer. Holding aggro with those massive Jade groups is fun eh?

What area took you the most tries to complete?
- None took more than one.

What was your favorite area to vanquish and why?
- Propably Majesty's Rest, went there with my friend once we finished vanquing the area outside ToA and we didn't have anything proper in our build to counter Rotscale and his skills but I (Warr) bodyblocked him so that he stopped using skills and just ran back and forth in a little area. Was quite funny moment.

What was the easiest for you to vanquish (besides Bukdek or The Temple)?
- Any desolation area using full smiting team.

What was the toughest enemy (boss, species, or mob) for you to defeat?
- With Pain Inverter & superior mesmer skills ;D of my friend there weren't any. Bosses with spirit rift can be pain though if done with henchies.

What advice do you have for someone who is or is about to try and get Legendary?
- It isn't very challenging if you just bother adjust hero/teambuilds according to the enemies that lurks in the area you're about to vanq. Smite against Undead etc. Good luck.

Numa Pompilius · Jan 09, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

You would think sabway saved your children from a car fire by the way you people are reacting and then turning around and doing the exact same thing to him.

FWIW I tried sabs build yesterday, and I'd say there's room for improvement. It's a minion-bomber build, which makes it powerful, and soul reaping means that once you've got it started the necros never run out of energy, but after vanquishing an area and doing a HM mission I went back to my old minion-bomber build, because I feel it has better synergy. Then again, I used my main char, my warrior, for testing the sab build, maybe it synergizes better if you're a necro.

Washi · Jan 09, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Some people should have watched Doctor Phil today.
It was about Cyber Bullying and how insulting and threating people over the internet is a federal felony.

If you don't like what is written here you can just STOP READING lol. How does it even compare to bullying IRL.

USA "laws" never stop to amaze me, I am seriously sorry for people living there. Come to europe, taste some freedom.

Numa Pompilius · Jan 09, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Washi

Come to europe, taste some freedom.

That is a dangerously clueless statement. Please read up on european internet law - that they're at best randomly enforced does not mean they do not exist.

HawkofStorms · Jan 09, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Washi

If you don't like what is written here you can just STOP READING lol. How does it even compare to bullying IRL.

USA "laws" never stop to amaze me, I am seriously sorry for people living there. Come to europe, taste some freedom.

Yeah.... I mean, sending people death threats against them and their family while using racial slurs shouldn't be illegal, right? (note, not that any of that is happening here, that's just an example of what was on the show).

Washi · Jan 09, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

That is a dangerously clueless statement. Please read up on european internet law - that they're at best randomly enforced does not mean they do not exist.

I was talkin about USA law in general, it's full of some serious bullsh*t. Anyway it's not the place to discuss such things, it was a mistake to post it. Forgive me, I'm just bored at work and THAT is a dangerous state of mind.

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Yeah.... I mean, sending people death threats against them and their family while using racial slurs shouldn't be illegal, right? (note, not that any of that is happening here, that's just an example of what was on the show).

Well you posted in this thread so I assumed it had something to do with it...

Sorry but being sued for insulting someone over "teh internetz" is beyond my imagination, cause internet is a serious business, aye?

Jecht Scye · Jan 09, 2008, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Currently, I have Elonian Vanquisher, and am 9 zones away from Tyrian Vanquisher(The last nine are going to be easy).

What was the hardest area for you to vanquish and why?
Joko's Domain - by far. The fact that there are so many areas when you're unable to use wurms versus the undead. Cavaliers and Acolytes both have resurrection skills(Renew Life and Signet of Return). It's advised to do this with someone, but I completed this before Sab's 3 Necro Build came out. Make sure you have a ranger with Frozen Soil

What was the most frustrating area for you and why?
Joko's Domain - It took several, several tries. sometimes I was within 20 kills to winning before I realized it wasn't possible.

What area took you the most tries to complete?
Joko's Domain - haha, this is getting redundant :P

What was your favorite area to vanquish and why?
Shadow Passage - Because to took less than 3 minutes to do.

What was the easiest for you to vanquish (besides Bukdek or The Temple)?
Shadow Passage - A few Jade Brotherhood and some Afflicted, and you're done.

What was the toughest enemy (boss, species, or mob) for you to defeat?
Shekoss the Stony(Joko's Domain) - He had to be killed without use of wurms, as well as being surrounded by 2 Acolytes and at least one Cavalier.

What advice do you have for someone who is or is about to try and get Legendary?
If you can get a guild group to go with you, get them to help you out with Snake Dance, Dreadnought's, and Lornar's pass all in one shot. Having 8 people in Lornar's is far easier than 6, so start from Rankor.

Finish Joko's Domain in Elona first if you do Elonian Vanquisher. After that zone, everything else seems easy.

tasha · Jan 09, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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